John Mark Comer on Spiritual Formation for Today’s World, Recovery After Sundays, and Practices for Deep Friendship

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Pastoring used to mean holding a role that was high responsibility, low control, and high reward.

High responsibility in terms of providing leadership and teaching with integrity, low control in terms of how people adopt or reject where you are leading them, and high reward in terms of general respect for the vocation and personal fulfillment. However, as you know, things have changed in our time. But rather than trying to keep up with culture, or become more relevant and popular, we’re seeking to recover what’s been forgotten— the high calling and deep joy found in pastoring. We see a beautiful, difficult, and worthy vocation in the call to be a pastor. We also see a path that can be marked by loneliness, weariness, and confusion.

This week John Mark Comer joins us again on the podcast to talk about how pastoring today means learning how to humbly navigate cultural hostility, and watch as our motivations are purified through disapproval as Christ is our true reward. 

Our conversation with John Mark covers:

  • Practices for pastoral longevity, 

  • living into both parts of the Sabbath command: work and rest, and

  • why people in our congregations are gravitating toward spiritual formation right now

This episode invites us to reflect deeply on the state of our hearts & the beautiful work of the pastorate.


John Mark Comer

John Mark Comer, once the founding pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, dedicated two decades to integrating discipleship to Jesus into the post-Christian west. In 2021, he pivoted to developing spiritual formation resources for global church communities through Practicing the Way. Now residing in Topanga Canyon, Los Angeles, he crafts new practices, courses, and podcasts while serving as a teacher at Vintage Church LA. A New York Times bestselling author, Comer's notable works include "Practicing the Way" and "The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry."

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